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When you can't make a living being a 'real' newspaper; you lower your standards and become a tabloid.

I am not sure even this story would have made the New Times - well, then again, maybe in August when everybody who is anybody has turned into a Zonie.

They were going for a United Way-type nonprofit scandal (many years back), and failed miserably.

Pathetic.

I assume the Republic finds most heterosexual relationships scandalous?

I'll reluctantly agree that the Republic over-played the story by playing as a page-one lede.

Did they over-play it? That's a matter of judgment and taste. I read it, and was underwhelmed by its importance. On the other hand, it was made AZCentral's list of most-read stories, which indicates something.

Interesting point. The Atlantic Monthly ran a story a month or so ago in which they studied the front-page choices of several major newspapers and compared them with the "hits" on their websites. Readers uniformly disagreed with the front-page decisions.

Anyone who has been part of of the daily story meeting at a newspaper will tell you that decisions about what goes on the front page are often heated, and sometimes even rancorous. I was told to shut the hell up a couple of times when I was part of such meetings.

But the bottom line is it's a crap shoot, and no one knows the right answer - until the marketplace (the readership) decides.

Sam, c'mon....

You're saying that since a lot of people read the story, that validates it's newsworthiness? If that was true, the National Enquirer would set the standard for journalism.

I read the story too, only to find there was no "there" there. It was meaningless piffle. Just because it had a lot of website hits doesn't mean many of those readers didn't have the same reaction.

This smacks of a newspaper scrambling to remain relevant by puffing up a potential conflict of interest at a well-known, respected local charity and making it look like a scandal. Since both the parties involved resigned BEFORE any conflict could exist, there is basically no story. But that didn't stop the Republic from trying to relive the glory days when they really could break scandal news on A1.

Of course, if I worked for a newspaper these days, I'd probably grasp at straws too. Too bad that two apparently honorable people got their reputations tarnished for no good reason.

DGN:

That's exactly what I'm saying. In journalism school they tie themselves into pretzel-like knots trying to define news.

But the most accurate definition comes from William Randolph Hearst: "News is what I say it is!"

And that's the reality. News is defined by a small group of people you'll never meet who sit in meetings and pontificate about what people care about.

I know that feeds into the "liberal left-wing bias" obsession of the Right, but the truth is the truth.

In the final analysis, news is what people want to know - and that's why TV news lives off live chases, fires and car crashes, newspapers live off multi-legged cows and drugged-out starlets who shave their head.

Me, like most of the people who post here, I want to know what the Legislature City Council and board of stupidvisors is doing. But we're a minority.

It's about time. A-Ok E-Pundit!

Well, Sam...

You don't know me from Adam's housecat but I can tell you that I was a reporter for about 8 years in Phoenix. I've been out of the biz for a long time now, but I do know how it works.

I'm not bragging or being critical of you, just establishing some bona fides.

You're mostly right that some news is decided in newspaper "budget" meetings where they decide what they want to print and what doesn't make the cut.

Broadcasters do the same thing, especially in TV. Radio is more seat of the pants. But much of what broadcast news covers is set by rapid events of the day (fires, car wrecks, general mayhem, etc.) I can't disagree with you there.

But where you and I would part company is on a story like the Goodwill piece.

Nobody outside of the Republic and a few staff at Goodwill knew or cared about this situation. And apparently, the leadership of Goodwill is satisfied with the outcome and is not pursuing any legal action one would expect if laws or rules had been violated.

So your argument that news is what people want to know - if taken as valid - argues AGAINST this story being news. Most people could not have "wanted to know" this because they were unaware of it. In fact, most people are unaware of the news before it happens, thus making it news. Your definition is a non-sequiter.

The ONLY people who thought it was newsworthy were the editors at the Republic. They are not gods and they can be in error on news judgement. In this case, in my opinion, they clearly overestimated the news value of this story.

Proof (or at least strong anecdotal evidence) of this is the fact that outside of this particular blog, the story has goteen precisely ZERO traction. There has been no follow-up in the paper, no groundswell of public outcry in the form of protests at Goodwill stores, no significant dicsussion on talk radio or even around my water cooler.

I'm not claiming liberal bias here. Having worked in several local newsrooms, albeit some time ago, I know there are actually some fair-minded, independent reporters in radio, TV and the papers. I also know there are some folks who are not as fair-minded. Such is life.

But the issue with the Goodwill story is not liberal vs. conservative, because frankly, I have no idea if the Goodwill execuitves are flaming Trotsky-ites or Reagan Republicans. It's irrelevant. They were smeared and darn near libeled by a newspaper that is gasping to be as relevant as it was in 1965, or 1975, or heck, even 2005.

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